Monday, December 07, 2009

Understanding "Criminality" and "Crime"

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...

On any given day of any given week, in any given city in the United States, one may happen upon a conversation or two wherein the topic of "crime prevention" is being discussed. Usually, such conversations are characterized by great concern over the problem of crime in our cities, and the persons who seem to perpetuate it. However, seldom do these conversations actually address the root of the problem; and that is partly due to the fact that many don't understand what the root of the problem is!

"Crime", simply put, is "aberrated survival conduct." It is the attempt to solve a problem without regard for, or understanding of, the actual nature or cause of the problem; coupled with the lack of appreciation or understanding of the basic needs and rights of others.

Thus, "crime" is a manifestation of some basic human need that has not been sufficiently met.

Therefore, when we speak on "crime prevention," we cannot limit the discussion to the actual manifestation of criminality and how to correct or rehabilitate "criminals". Such a discussion must also include "correction" and "rehabilitation" of the SOCIETY that cultivates and perpetuates criminality by its consistent failure or refusal to adequately meet the basic human needs of the people.

For example, We live in a society wherein entertainers and athletes -- who are often severely aberrated, morally -- are paid MILLIONS of dollars a year, and are set up as role models for young people to emulate. Yet, those professionals who are tasked with great honor and responsibility of cultivating civilization through science, education and the arts are often found struggling to get by, and go largely unknown. Little wonder, then, that there is so much dysfunction in the society. People emulate what they SEE...not what they DON'T SEE.

Thus, attempting to prevent and/or reduce crime while failing to address the societal contributors to crime, is akin to failure to plug the hole in a boat to keep it from sinking, relying only on the effort to bail out the water coming in through the hole.

Crime prevention and reduction is not the responsibility of any one segment of the population, alone. It is the responsibility of every single member of the society and every single institution tasked with the governance and cultivation of human life.

Human Beings have legitimate, natural needs, the fulfillment of which is the basis of a civilized society. If we truly wish to prevent, reduce, and ultimately eliminate crime, we must commit ourselves -- each in his or her own way -- to the fulfillment of the basic human needs (rights) of every member of the society in which we live. Only then will the words "with liberty and justice for all" have real meaning.


Disclaimer: It is granted that some people are so aberrated that, for the safety of the whole or majority, these aberrated ones must often be isolated (imprisoned), or worse. These are extreme examples that may not fall within the scope of the above article.


Read More Here:
http://www.caeringsolutions.com/UnderstandingCriminality.html

RM

Tuesday, November 24, 2009

A Critic's Response to "The Time and What Must be Done"

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower...

Salaam (Peace) to all.

A Critic of the Hon. Louis Farrakhan wrote, regarding the His Lecture Series, "The Time and What Must be Done":

"i wonder if he'll mention what WILL be done, or what IS BEING DONE cause for 60 years these guys have been telling everyone what should be done."



Dear Sir,

When the Hon. Louis Farrakhan speaks on "The Time and What Must be Done", what you and I need to understand is that he is giving us ADVICE and WARNING in light of the approaching fall of this world under the Chastisement of Allah(God). After that, it is up to the INDIVIDUAL to use his or her own Divine Intelligence to make a Decision as to whether he/she will ACCEPT the Warning, or REJECT it.

Minister Farrakhan's job is NOT to hold your and my hands and walk us to safety, or to "impress" us with "signs and wonders". His job is to give us a clear warning of what is coming, and Guide those who make a personal decision to ACCEPT the Warning into an organized effort to survive the fall of this world.

Those who REJECT the Warning, for WHATEVER reason, do so at their own peril. The Messenger is not responsible for their rejection. They are responsible for their own decisions.

So, the Title of His Lecture Series could just as well read, "The Time, and What YOU Must Do...IF you want to survive the Fall of this world...it's up to YOU; but at Least you have been warned. Your Blood is not on my hands."

Respectfully,

RM

Wednesday, November 11, 2009

Reflections on an Execution...

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

The following was originally written Tuesday, November 10, 2009, at around 10:40 pm.


Well, it's done. The man who was convicted of the 2002 "DC Sniper" killings -- John Allen Muhammad -- was executed by lethal injection a little more than an hour ago.

My heart is heavy.

My heart is heavy over all of the suffering connected with this ordeal:

...the suffering of his ex-wife -- Mildred -- who spent so many years in fear for her life and for the well-being of her children.

...the suffering of his children, who were denied the blessing of a stable family life and have now lost their father.

...the suffering of his victims and their families, whose pain I can't begin to imagine.

...and the suffering of the people who live in the area of the killings, who lived day after day in the inescapable fear that simply going about their normal routines could easily prove fatal.


But...if I am going to be completely honest -- with myself, first -- I have to admit that my heart is also heavy over the suffering of the man who was put to death; not just the suffering of "being put to death", but over the suffering he must have endured from the time he returned ill-affected from Saudi Arabia as a soldier in the U.S. Army, to the moment of his last breath.

In the Bible, we read that God created man in His(God's) own Image and Likeness, and that God formed man of the dust of the earth, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of Life, and then Man became a Living Soul.

In the Qur'an, we read that Allah(God) says, "So set thy face for religion, being upright -- the nature made by Allah in which He has Created Man. There is no altering Allah's Creation."

Thus, the fundamental inclination of Man, by Nature, is toward "uprightness", or, toward Oneness with his Creator; for he is a manifestation of his Creator.

Therefore, Man's greatest joy and satisfaction is derived from his acting in accord with the Will of his Creator, which is his Nature. Likewise, Man's greatest pain and dissatisfaction is derived from his failure (or refusal) to act in accord with the Will of his Creator.

What must John Allen Muhammad have experienced in his life that would remove him so thoroughly from the Divine Nature and Purpose of his creation, which is "uprightness", that he would think it rational to murder people who had done nothing to him?

What could possibly drive a Divine Being to think that he would be "helping" his children by "murdering" the Mother of his children?

And, how could he have had a moment's peace within himself, in the knowledge of what he had done...and what he planned to do?

It must have been pure "hell" on earth for him, and I can't help but wonder if there was a part of him that viewed his immanent execution as a welcomed relief from his torment.

Now that the cries for "justice" and "revenge" have been answered, I pray that we all will study this tragedy, learn from it, and use the lessons learned to help prevent a repeat of such an unfortunate series of events. Only then will Justice be truly served.

Thoughtfully,

RM

Sunday, November 08, 2009

Hiding the Truth

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

I recently read a news article (10-29-09) about the raid on a Muslim group in Detroit, Michigan, wherein a leader of that group was shot and killed by government officials.

As is usually the case, the author of this article found some reason or rationale to mention the Nation of Islam in connection with the alleged actions of an alleged "rogue" sect of Islam, along with making a feeble attempt to "explain" the origins of the Nation of Islam. And, as is usually the case when I read such statements, I made what I deemed appropriate mention of the fact that the Nation of Islam could not be sanely associated with such accusations.

I posted my comment. I received a message that my comment was "awaiting moderation". That was on October 29. When I posted my comments, there were no other comments posted on the article. It is now November 8.

Below is a copy of what I saw when I logged onto the page to view the comments section:


Comments (3) Post a Comment »

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

Salaam (Peace)...

Anyone who wishes to know the origins of the Nation of Islam can simply go to the Nation Of Islam's websites -- http://www.finalcall.com and http://www.noi.org. No need to rely on poor journalism...

And ANYONE who KNOWS anything about the Nation of Islam knows that we do NOT condone the use or possession of weapons. The FBI and CIA know this, as they have been monitoring us since they became aware of our existence.

It wasn't "American-born blacks who converted to the religion (of Islam) while serving prison sentences" who mass murdered thousands of civilians -- men, women and children -- embarking on a war that was started on the basis of a LIE (Iraq).

We in the Nation of Islam, under the Leadership of the Hon. Louis Farrakhan, are taught to not carry weapons, nor own weapons, because we do not NEED weapons. God and His Truth are sufficient for us...as was the case of Moses and the Childred of Israel in Biblical Egypt.

RM

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It's important to note here that Islamic sects such as the NOI and the Ummah are the illegitimate offshoots of a faith that espouses a very different set of beliefs. The NOI and the Detroit Ummah are not considered to be true followers of Muhammed by traditional Islamic standards because they reject the very first pillar of the Islamic faith, the "faith or belief in the Oneness of God and the finality of the prophethood of Muhammad," because they embrace the teachings of modern-day false prophets. The NOI and the Detroit Ummah are hate-based cults, plain and simple. They are no more embraced by the traditional Islamic community than hateful protestant groups such as Westboro Baptist Church are embraced by the Christian majority. They warp the message of the Qu'ran the same way other religious cults distort the message of God.

rch1601
November 8, 2009 at 5:33 pm


Why is MY post still "awaiting moderation", almost two weeks after the fact, while others' posts that came after mine were published?

My focus here is not on the fact that it was "my post", but on the actual CONTENT of what I posted, and why it was not published for the public to view...

What do you think?

RM

Monday, November 02, 2009

What Is "ISLAM", and WHY is it the "Fastest Growing Religion in the World"?

Originally Posted: Thursday, May 01, 2008


What Is "ISLAM", and WHY is it the "Fastest Growing Religion in the World"?


In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

ISLAM could be defined as "a state of Universal Peace obtained through complete submission to, or alignment with, the Will of the Creator of the Universe". It is, indeed, the Essential Nature of the Human Being; for the Human Being is the embodiment of that Divine Intelligence which Governs the Universe.

Therefore, ISLAM refers to that State of Being wherein the Human Being is in Harmony with the Nature and Purpose of His or Her own existence.

In this present age, it is clearly seen that Human Beings are not in Harmony with the Nature or Purpose of their Existence. The lack of Peace among Human Beings is evidence of this disharmony within Self.

How is the Human Being affected by such disharmony?
How is the Human Being -- whose Nature is to effectively harmonize with, and give expression to, the Universal Order -- affected by a condition wherein He or She is unable to do either?

Such a condition creates within the Human Being feelings of dissatisfaction with His or Her existence, and the longer the condition persists, the greater the dissatisfaction becomes.

Now, imagine such condition -- with its accompanying dissatisfaction -- continuing for an individual's entire lifetime. Imagine such a condition of disharmony continuing among a group of people for generations...for Centuries!

Even more, imagine an entire world wherein Human Beings have been born into, and kept in, such a terrible condition all over the planet...for Thousands of years!

How great is the dissatisfaction among Human Beings over their inability to freely and effectively express and pursue their Divine Nature and Purpose?

How would these Human Beings respond to Guidance which offers them true and lasting relief from the pain of being out of harmony with the Nature and Purpose of their own existence? Would they not gladly receive it, as a thirsty traveler would receive water?

THIS is why ISLAM -- Peace through submission to Divine Law and Order -- is said to be the fastest growing religion in the world today. It is not because Islam is being spread by the Sword, because such is clearly not the case. [It seems more so that "democracy" is being spread by the sword.] It is not because Human Beings are mindless zombies who are especially susceptible to "Islamo-fascism".

If ISLAM is the fastest growing religion on the planet, it is precisely because Islam answers the need of the Human Soul for relief from the pain of a misguided and unproductive existence. Islam answers the Soul's need to be re-aligned with Its Divine (Universal) Nature and Purpose.

Islam -- when rightly understood and applied -- establishes Order in the midst of Chaos, and in so doing, it frees the Human Being to effectively and productively carry out his or her Purpose for Being...giving Him or Her true contentment with His or Her existence, despite even the severest opposition.

Islam is not a "religion" as such. It is the Nature of God and the Nature of Man, and was given to us "as" a religion to facilitate a return to Balance and further Growth toward our Divinity.

RM

Tuesday, September 29, 2009

Why God Hates "Ingratitude"

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.


What is “ingratitude”?

INGRATITUDE -- in Essence -- is the failure or refusal to acknowledge favors bestowed on oneself by another, especially when one could not have attained said favors on one’s own.

One of the manifestations of ingratitude is seen in the one who thinks he deserved the favor he received. Such a one might carry an air of arrogance about him/her, which might cause him/her to think he or she is entitled to some "privileged" status.

Another manifestation of ingratitude is seen in the one who thinks he deserves more, or better, than what was bestowed upon him. This can also be expressed in the form of complaints about what one “doesn’t have”, as opposed to being thankful for what one does have.

Yet another manifestation of ingratitude is seen in one’s abuse, neglect or ignoring of favors bestowed upon him.

In all of these cases, the receiver of the favors suffers from a basic misunderstanding of the relationship between himself and the Giver, and thus cannot fully appreciate the value of the favor bestowed upon him (or her). He tends to think more of himself than he should, and think less of the Giver than he should; and therefore cannot appreciate the favor as he should.
(How can you be truly grateful for something you don’t understand the value of?)

Allah (God) is the Supreme Giver and the Great Bestower of Favors upon His Creatures! The Greatest Gift He has Given us is the Gift of Life, Itself.
Have we been grateful for such a Gift?
Have we done with our Lives what God Intended we do?

Next to Life, Itself, Allah’s Greatest Gift or Favor to us is that of Divine Guidance!

Why does Man need Divine Guidance? It is because we live in a world that is in total rebellion against the Will and Purpose of God; and, from the cradle, our minds are shaped and fashioned after the darkness of this world.

So now, humanity is literally lost in the darkness of ignorance and the suffering that comes with it, and we can’t seem – no matter how hard we try – to find our way out of this “intense darkness”. So we continue in error, constantly violating the nature and purpose of our existence, thus making our own lives a living hell!

Crime, poverty, drug abuse, self-hatred, failed relationships, depression, suicide, prostitution, homosexuality, slavery, war, etc...

Who can deny that we are in desperate need of Divine Guidance?
Who can deny that we are in need of a Divine Guide to teach us how to live that Guidance?

If God were to Give us such Guidance... If God were to Give us such a Guide...
Would we be “grateful”?
Would we demonstrate “gratitude” or “ingratitude”?

Remember, “gratitude” is more than just saying “thank you”!

“Gratitude” requires more than just “feeling good” about a Gift that was given to you, and about the One who Gave it to you.

“Gratitude” is best demonstrated in the proper use of the Gift that is Given to you, or in the proper response to the Purpose for which the Gift was Given!

Why do we need to know this?

How do YOU feel when you give someone a gift or bestow on them a favor that they fail to show appreciation or gratitude for? How does that make YOU feel, as the “giver”?

“Ingratitude” makes the Giver want to take back the gift that he gave, and sometimes he will give it to someone else who will demonstrate more gratitude for the Gift (or Favor).

Likewise, “Gratitude” inspires the Giver to want to give more!
(“I am come that they might have Life, and have it more abundantly.” –Jesus)

Why does God Give us Life?
It is to carry on His Great Work.

Why does God Give us Guidance?
It is to deliver us from our ignorance and suffering, that we may carry on His Great Work.

Are we demonstrating “gratitude” for these Precious Gifts from God...or “ingratitude”?

“Ingratitude” is actually an injustice, because it takes man away from the Universal Order and Will of God; and it takes man away from his own nature. So a man who is ungrateful is a man who is unjust to himself. He is destroying his own peace...just by being “ungrateful”.

Allah says, in the Holy Qur’an, that He “...gives you of all you ask of Him. And if you count Allah's favours, you will not be able to number them. Surely man is very unjust, very ungrateful.”

In another place, Allah says that “when distress afflicts you in the sea, away go those whom you call on except He; but when He brings you safe to the land, you turn away. And man is ever ungrateful.”

Therefore, it is not a question of whether or not we have been ungrateful to God, or unjust to ourselves...because we all have. We all have been born into a world of wickedness and rebellion against God, and all of us have been poisoned by the wickedness of this world. The Bible teaches us that “all have sinned, and fallen short of the Glory of God.” So all of us have demonstrated some degree of ingratitude to our Creator, and all of us have been unjust to ourselves and others. So Allah makes us to bear witness, in our prayers, “I have been greatly unjust to myself, and I confess my faults,” ...and in our Nature, we know when we are being unjust to ourselves. So we don’t have to ask “have I been unjust to myself”...or “have I been ungrateful to Allah (God)”. We all can bear witness that we have been.

It’s more about the question, “Who is willing to come back to God and make a Change?” “Who is willing to humble himself, and pray, and seek God’s Face, and turn from the wicked ways of this world?”

It’s about, “Who has had enough of the suffering caused by our ignorance and ingratitude, and is ready now to strive to live the life that God intended, so that He might Bless us with His Favors...and save us from His Chastisement?”

Have we had enough? Are we tired of being “ungrateful”? Are we tired of being “unjust” to ourselves?

Are we ready for a change?

If we are, then we must know that as Allah – out of His Beneficence and Mercy – has already Given us the Gift of Life and the Gift of Divine Guidance, He also has given to US a Divine Guide from Himself – a Man who not only has been prepared by God to “show” us the Way, but who IS The Way...IS The Truth...IS The Life; and that man – that Precious Gift that Allah has Given to US – is the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan.

The Question is...

“Will we be grateful?...or ungrateful?”

The choice is yours. Let us choose wisely.

As-Salaam Alaikum.

RM

Monday, September 14, 2009

Health Care, the Million Man March, and Spiritual Blindness

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

This past Saturday -- September 12, 2009 -- a vast crowd of "conservative" Americans marched on Washington, DC, to protest President Obama's much maligned health care proposals.

I don't know how many people attended the protest, and I will not speculate; but there are those who are already finding a rationale to compare this march/protest with the Historic "Million Man March", in terms of numbers, and thus by suggestion, in terms of significance...as if the number of people, alone, who attend a rally is a sign of the importance of the rally.

Some of the estimates I have read cite the attendance of the protest as somewhere between 100,000 and "2 million", and almost all of the articles covering the event include the Million Man March as a reference point to measure the significance of the protest (a fact which, in itself, underscores the significance of the Million Man March).

Even if the so-called "Tea Party", this past Saturday, did "outdraw" the Million Man March in "numbers", it in no way compares to the Million Man March in terms of its Universal Significance. The Million Man March was not a "political protest". It was a demonstration by the "depised and rejected" of this nation -- Black Men (and Women) of America -- of our desire to Atone to the God of Creation, the Author of our Existence, for our failure to live up to our responsibilities as Men across this country. It was a show of Gratitude to Almighty God for a clear Warner in the Person of the Hon. Louis Farrakhan. It was a strategic event intended to save untold numbers of young black men from a plan to slaughter them under the guise of "national security". It was a Divinely Inspired and Divinely Guided demonstration of Faith, Hope and Love. There has never been such a demonstration in the history of America before that day -- October 16, 1995 -- or SINCE that day. The Million Man March simply cannot be put in the same category as a "protest" fueld by the dissatisfaction of conservatives with a government that they helped to corrupt.

However, that is not to say that Saturday's March/Protest was not significant. I believe it was VERY significant. Whenever we see hundreds(?) of thousands of people in the society take to the streets to PROTEST what they feel are unjust policies, that is a serious sign that the country is headed toward revolution. The dissatisfaction of the people is so great now, that the people are growing less and less tolerant of anything that they believe is an obstacle to their legitimate needs for peace and security; but when the effort to attain such virtues is corrupted by deceptive propaganda, political expedience and racism, and general godlessness, then the stage eventually becomes set for a dangerously volatile eruption.

This should be clear to those in positions of power in government. It should be clear to the social scientists. It should be clear to the historians and the students of the rise and fall of nations.

Why, then, is so little attention being given to addressing the legitimate needs of these citizens who are in fear for their futures; and so much attention being given to whether or not Saturday's protest "outnumbered" the Million Man March? What is hindering those who can read the "handwriting on the wall" from taking action and empowering the public with information that might save this nation from another civil war? What right-minded man would not seek to lead his family out of a burning house when he sees flames engulfing it?

Are we dealing with "right minded" men in government? Or, are they so spiritually blinded by what the Hon. Louis Farrakhan refers to as "inordinate self-interest" ( please read "A Torchlight for America"), that they cannot see the consequences of depriving the public of Truth and Real Solutions to the problems of this nation?

Dear reader, with conditions in America obviously deteriorating exponentially with each passing day, we don't have time for meaningless disputes. As the Hon. Elijah Muhammad warned us, years ago, America is falling, and only right action -- Divinely Guided action -- can check the fall.

If those in positions of power in America do not act soon, and effectively, and heed the Divine Guidance contained in the Warnings coming from the Hon. Louis Farrakhan, then America will most certainly fall, and great will be her fall...and "all the king's horses and all the king's men" will not be able to put America back together again.

Something to think about.

RM

Wednesday, August 26, 2009

President Obama, the "Anti-Christ"?

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

Salaam (Peace) to all.

(Note: I plan to fill this post out with added information over the next few days, God willing.)

Let me begin by stating, for the record, that I do NOT believe that President Obama is the "Anti-Christ".

However, there are those who are apparently bent on promoting the idea of such. One such person, whom I have only been able to identify thus far as "ppsimmons", via YouTube, has posted a video presenting such a proposition, and using the name of a "Jewish Rabbi" in an attempt to lend credence to his claim...or, rather, "suggestion".

The video is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHUZXgNAWo

The narrator, "ppsimmons", cites, from the Bible, Luke 10:18, Luke 8:5, and Isaiah 14:12-19 as the bases for his position.

Please give a listen to his argument, and then consider the following findings from Strong's Concordance of the Bible, below:

Luke 10:18 - "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven."

Isaiah 14:12-14 - "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations...I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

lightning:
[Greek Dictionary (NT), Entry #796] - "astrape" - "bright shining", "glare"
[Entry #797] - "astrapto" - to flash as lightning, to shine
[Hebrew Dictionary (OT), Entry #215, 216] - "owr" (or) - illumination, bright, clear, as in "lightning" or "happiness"; day; morning; sun
[OT Entry #965] - "bazaq" - to lighten; a flash of lightning
[OT Entry #1299, 1300] - "baraq" (baw rawk) - to lighten; lightning; a gleam as of a flashing sword; glittering.
[OT Entry #2385] - "khaw-zeez" - to glare; a flash of lightning; bright cloud; lightning

heaven:
[NT Entry #3772] - "ouranos" - the sky; heaven (the abode of God); happiness; power; eternity
[OT Entry #8064] - "shamayim" - to be lofty; the sky; the heavens (atmosphere, outer space)

heights:
[OT Entry #1116] - "bamah" (baw maw) - height, high place, wave


Interestingly enough, the word "antichrist" is NEVER ONCE used by JESUS in the Bible!
(Neither is "christian" nor "christianity", for that matter)

ALSO, I found the following from the OT Dictionary of the Concordance:

[OT Entry #1288] - "barak" - to bless God, as adoration
[OT Entry #1293] - "Berakah" - prosperity, blessing

In addition, please read and consider the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubarak_(given_name)

Why is "ppsimmons" attempting to define an Arabic name using the Hebrew language?

Of the four Hebrew equivalents (above) to the Greek "astrape" (lightning), why is [#1299 - "baraq"] a more appropriate correlation than the other three?

Why did not "ppsimmons" include OT Entry #1288 (or 1293) - "barak" - as a possible correlation to the Arabic name "Barak", since that Hebrew word is almost identical in meaning (not just "sound")?

How could Jesus have given "the name" of "the antichrist" when, according to the Bible, he never used the term "antichrist"? This term is found only in 1John and 2John, and is not once used with the definite article, "the".

In other words, the expression "the antichrist" is not found in the authorized King James Version of the Bible.

I would encourage the readers of this post to look up the following words, as relates to "ppsimmons" post:

contrivance
conjecture
fallacy


"ppsimmons" is exploiting/misapplying the analogy between "Satan", "lightning", and "heaven" in an attempt to give a "satanic" connotation to the concept of "lightning", itself.

He then chooses the word for "lightning" that more closely resembles, in sound (not meaning), the name "Barak", thereby extending the "satanic" connotation to President Barack Obama.

If the President's name did, in fact, translate to "lightning", or carry the concept of such, then perhaps "ppsimmons" would have a logical "leg" to stand on. However, this is not the case.

"ppsimmons" is clearly intent on misleading the public by way of false logic, or "fallacy", by suggesting an association that does not exist in fact, and by using the "color of authority" - a "Jewish Rabbi" - to legitimize his deception.

Very well did Jesus speak of such persons as "ppsimmons", who draw near to Jesus with their lips, but their hearts are far removed from Him.

Truth demands that such persons as "ppsimmons" be exposed and labelled for what they are...agents of Satan...whether witting or unwitting..

Let "ppsimmons" first prove that the Bible makes mention of a specific character called "AntiChrist", and of the specific circumstances surrounding his appearance in the world. Only then can he reasonably begin to search out the identity of such a character.

Otherwise, he can be dismissed as an "imp" of Satan...hiding under the Righteous Name of Jesus.

Ramadan MuBarak! ("Blessed Ramadan!")

RM

Tuesday, June 09, 2009

"Ye Must Be Born Again!"

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

In the Bible, we read that Jesus instructed his disciples that, if they wanted to see the Kingdom of God, they must be "born again".

I was thinking on this today, while selling the Final Call, and something occurred to me.

Let us consider that, to be "born" at all, one must first be "conceived". To "conceive" means to "take with", or to "catch with".
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conceive

A looser, implied meaning would be to "bring parts together as one complete unit".

As regards reproduction of the Human Form, to "conceive" means to bring together, as one, the respective male and female life germs -- the "fundamental" or "foundational" material of the new life that is to be "born".It is upon this "foundation" that the remainder of the development of the fetus rests.

This (conception) is what is required, then, as a "precondition" of being "born". What, then, would be the required precondition for being "born AGAIN"?

Similar to the example given above, in order to be "born AGAIN", one must first be "conceived" again; that is, one must have a "New Foundation" upon which to base his interpretation of Reality, his thoughts, his words and his actions.

The "old" foundation must be exposed, dismantled and uprooted altogether. This means that even our initial impressions of "The Teachings" -- being laid upon the "old" foundation (mind) -- must eventually be relinquished. We need an entirely New Foundation!

Until we have a New Foundation -- a New and Truer set of Fundamental Assumptions -- we cannot have a New or Better Understanding of Allah, Ourselves, Life and It's Divine Purpose. At best, we will be able to "talk" ABOUT the New, while still harbouring the "old" in our hearts.

This will not gain us entry into the Kingdom.

We must be Born Again!

Respectfully,

Bro. Reuben

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Aphasia 8

Medical Update #1

This is a confidential update regarding Brother Jabril Muhammad’s medical condition. Anything having to do with one’s medical condition is considered to be confidential. Brother Jabril wants to share this with the readers. Before this report was sent publically, I gave Brother Jabril a copy of it, for his review. For those of you who know Brother Jabril, you know that he is a “context” and “detail” person. As you read this report, the words that are in bold are the part that I omitted that he wanted included in this update. (He told me to please read The Final Call for his reasons. Smile.) He gave me these words today Monday June 8, 2009, the same day I wrote this report. He told me that his reason would appear, Allah Willing, in next week’s issue of The Final Call.


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On Wednesday May 27, 2009, Brother Jabril Muhammad was admitted to the hospital. His diagnosis was unresponsive and seizure disorder. He went into respiratory failure while in the emergency room and was intubated. He was not breathing on his own. The emergency room doctors worked to stabilize his condition before transferring him to Neuro ICU. One of the emergency room doctors wrote in his dictated medical report, “He (Jabril) was admitted and was witnessed to have convulsions in the ER, now in respiratory failure and on a ventilator, without showing signs of recovery.” Throughout his medical records, other words to that effect were stated. He was in extreme critical condition, with his arterial blood gases “all over the place.”


I witnessed everything that took place in the emergency room helping the doctors help Brother Jabril. I informed them what medicines works best for him while he’s in this condition etc. I also witnessed that he was unresponsive, even to pain!


After I informed the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan, from the emergency room, of Brother Jabril’s condition, he was very sorry to hear of what happen. Minister Farrakhan was already scheduled to come to Phoenix on another matter. So the next morning, Brother Minister and his two sons arrived at the hospital, straight from the airport. They arrived, in the room, approximately one minute or less after five or six Neurologists arrived in his room. I was in the process of giving all the doctors a complete medical history of Brother Jabril’s condition. I informed them of what medications and dosage of medications he’s taking; how often he has these episodes; how to prevent these episodes from getting to the point where he’s intubated etc, etc. They asked a few questions, which I answered and at one point, I politely advised them to decrease one of his IV medications and gave my reasons, which they agreed to do and they did. They also told me of their plans, of which I was 100 percent in agreement.


Minister Farrakhan witnessed Brother Jabril on the ventilator, hand strapped to the bed, to prevent him from pulling out his tubes. After the doctors left, Minister Farrakhan remarked, “I’m so sorry this happened to you, but Allah is the Best Knower. Brother Minister then leaned over to Brother Jabril and said in a loud voice, “Jib, get up out of this bed, we have work to do.” Brother Jabril opened his eyes and immediately recognized Minister Farrakhan. Brother Jabril tried to speak, but choked and starting coughing because of the tube he had down his throat to help him breathe. Brother Minister then quieted Brother Jabril and told him in a soft voice that he will be back once the tube is removed from his throat.


Absolutely, Allah is the Best Knower. A few hours after the visit from Minister Farrakhan, Brother Jabril was extubated, meaning that he was taken off life support. Brother Jabril’s first words after being extubated was, “How long have I been here?” Because of the heavy sedation, Brother Jabril was given over the last 24 hours; he slept the rest of that day. He awoke the next morning around 5:00 AM and told me that he saw Minister Farrakhan, face to face and that it was real. He said that he saw him in “this same building.” He then asked me, “What’s up?” [Keep in mind, Brother Jabril is just waking up from heavy sedation; from being on a ventilator—life support and he dose not realize that he is in a hospital.] But, one thing for sure, he told me that he knew that he saw Minister Farrakhan.


After orientating Brother Jabril to place and time, I informed him that he, did indeed, see Minister Farrakhan. I also informed Brother Jabril that he had a tube down his throat to help him breathe and could not talk to Minister Farrakhan although he tried and that Minister Farrakhan will be coming back this morning to see him.


Minister Farrakhan and his son Joshua came that morning to see Brother Jabril. I can say that I witnessed a very powerful and significant meeting between the two of them. Sister Monette, who works for me and is one month away from getting her RN degree, witnessed what she did. Allah willing, we’ll hear from her in Aphasia 9 (medical update #2). In the one-hour plus meeting, I could see that they were being affected by one another’s spirit. At the end, of their meeting, Minister Farrakhan actually mentioned that this meeting helped his spirit. I know, from a medical standpoint, that Brother Jabril was helped in many ways. I believe this accounted for his speedy recovery.


In 2006, I was blessed to be present during some of the questions raised by Brother Jabril to Minister Farrakhan for the Closing The Gap book. This meeting between the two of them reminded me of that time period. They were ready right then and there to go to work. As Minister Farrakhan told Brother Jabril on the first day of his visit to Brother Jabril, despite Brother Jabril’s condition, that “we have work to do.” That caused Brother Jabril to open his eyes.


I must make this very clear. I’ve heard rumors (even as of yesterday) that Brother Jabril is in and out of a coma. That Brother Jabril is “mentally off” due to the stroke he suffered in February 2007. Both of those statements are completely false and baseless. For those who continue to spread these kinds of rumors, over the last 2 ½ years, since his stroke, of February 2007, where is your proof? Remember what the Honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us, that Minister Farrakhan continues to teach and remind us of, that, if you repeat slander three times you become a part of it.


For those of you who have known Brother Jabril for however many years, he is still the same Brother. Well, let me put it this way. He is not the same Brother. Nobody goes through a ‘near-death experience’ and comes out of it the same. Brother Jabril had more than one ‘near death experience.’ Our Brother is stronger mentally. The part of his brain that was affected by the stroke was the part that controls speech. Brother Jabril can speak. Brother Jabril can write. Brother Jabril can read. He has problems retrieving words, but if one is patient with him, he can get the word out that he is searching for. Please study conduction aphasia and go back over Aphasia 1-7 that he produced.


This Aphasia condition has absolutely nothing to do with intelligence. His intelligence is above average. He can make informed decisions for himself. I must state, for the records that a seizure that he just suffered, does not cause brain damage. I pray Allah that this short writing will clear up some of the major misunderstandings about our Brother’s condition.


I was talking to a few Neurologists at the hospital. All of us agreed that Brother Jabril has an above average intelligences and thought process. That part of his brain that processes thoughts and intelligences carries over to the language part. He uses many, what you called, “Coping strategies” to communicate due to his condition. Coping strategies are verbal or nonverbal methods of communicating used by people who have aphasia. He can make himself very clear when he speaks.


It’s been one week since Brother Jabril was discharged from the hospital. If you were to see him now, you would hardly believe that he, just a few days earlier, was seconds away from death and on life support. Many have told me that he looks even younger or healthier now, than he looked before this most recent hospitalization, even though he’s not out of it yet. In Aphasia #9 or medical update #2, I intend to go into this.


I agreed with Minister Farrakhan’s words, 1000 percent when he said that Allah is the best knower. I can say this; he is speaking better than he was before this most recent episode. All praises are due to Allah.


Thank you for reading this short update. Please continue to visit as more updates are forthcoming, Allah’s Willing.


Patina Muhammad ND, CNC

June 8, 2009


http://cuttingedgeknowledge.org/

RM

Monday, June 01, 2009

Is the Nation of Islam an "Extremist" Group?

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.
I bear witness that there is no God but Allah,
And I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.

What Exactly is an "Extremist"?

I read an article, this morning, about the four men who were arrested and charged with plotting to commit hate crimes against the Jewish Community and certain U.S. Military entities. Apart from the obvious shoddiness of the case contrived against these men, I noticed that the writer of this article indirectly referred to the Nation of Islam as, among other things, an "extremist" group:

"Tough drug laws since the 1980s led to the incarceration of large numbers of African-Americans, many of whom joined the Nation of Islam, a US-born religious group much criticised for its extremist views..."
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090531/FOREIGN/705309920/1014/ART

I found it interesting that this writer manages to paint "large numbers of African-Americans" as predisposed to drug use, and inclined toward the "Nation of Islam, a US-born religious group much criticised for its extremist views...". Why make such a juxtaposition? Is the writer suggesting that the Nation of Islam is primarily comprised of convicted drug users/pushers who are attracted to the Nation of Islam because of its "extremist views"?

Well, naturally, being a Member of the Nation of Islam, I was a bit concerned about this categorization of Us and our Beliefs. So, before I positioned myself to hurl my "retort" at this writer, I decided to look up this word, "extremist", so that I might get a clearer idea of just what this person was/is attempting to communicate.

The word "extremist" has as its root, the word "extreme":

extreme (adj.):
[c.1460, from L. extremus "outermost, utmost," superl. of exterus (see exterior).]
1. of a character or kind farthest removed from the ordinary or average: extreme measures.
2. utmost or exceedingly great in degree: extreme joy.
3. farthest from the center or middle; outermost; endmost: the extreme limits of a town.
4. farthest, utmost, or very far in any direction: an object at the extreme point of vision.
5. exceeding the bounds of moderation: extreme fashions.
6. going to the utmost or very great lengths in action, habit, opinion, etc.: an extreme conservative.
7. last or final: extreme hopes.


Therefore, an "extremist" is one whose ideas and actions are considered "far removed from the [what is accepted as] ordinary or average", or are "exceeding the bounds of moderation".

This begs the question, "Who determines what is 'ordinary', 'average', 'normal', or 'moderate'?" What is the standard by which something is determined to be "normal"? Is it a fixed standard? Is it a varying standard? Does it remain constant regardless of time or place? Or, does it change with time, and differ with culture or environment?

I also noticed that there was no definite "moral" connotation included in the definition. Does this suggest that there are certain instances where it is "good" to be "extreme"? Are there instances where "normal" or "ordinary" is "bad"?

There are areas where poverty is "ordinary" and "average". Would it be "wrong" to break from that "norm" to establish a better, healthier reality in such areas?

Were not the "founding fathers" of the United States considered "extremists" by the British Crown?

When Patrick Henry proclaimed, "...Give me Liberty, or give me death!", was that not an "extreme" statement born of an "extreme" conviction? What was the "norm" in his day that moved him to make such a statement?

In that vein, could not Abraham, Lot, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad, and all the Prophets of God be considered "extremists"?

Were any of them inclined to drug use or criminal activity? Most would say "No", and History certainly doesn't give us any indication otherwise.

Well, then...how did this term "extremist" take on such an ugly connotation? Why is it used so liberally to demonize people who dare to speak up and speak out against intolerable and unjust "norms" in a given society?

It is because those who occupy the seats of political and economic power in this world DEPEND on the maintenance of the status quo (the "ordinary"): The Rich "bloodsuckers of the poor" staying rich by keeping the poor in poverty.

In one sense it is valid to say that the Nation of Islam has "extremist" views, because we see and understand that human beings are being held in "extreme" spiritual (if not economic) poverty, which has led to the extreme corruption and immanent collapse of the society, demanding "extreme" measures to reverse the trend toward disaster that the world is currently in.

But to suggest that the Nation of Islam has "extremist" views along the lines of "criminal" or "terrorist" ideologies is both deceptive and detrimental to the overall well being of the global community; for such mischaracterizations prevent the people from benefitting from the Guidance found in the Nation of Islam that has an UNMATCHED record of transforming human lives from "destitute" to "progressive", from "criminal" to "honorable", from "hopeless" to "vibrant".

The Hon. Louis Farrakhan, by the Help and Guidance of Allah (God), has taught us, and the world, what a truly "Civilized" human being looks like, walks like, talks like, LIVES like; and has reproduced his example in the lives of literally hundreds of thousands -- if not MILLIONS -- of human beings who have been literally LONGING for SOMEONE to free them from the bonds of the "ordinary", the "average", and the "norms" that are so comfortable and convenient for the rich elite; but have been the literal "hell" for the disenfranchised.

For that, He...and WE...Make no apologies.

Does the Nation of Islam have "extremist" views? No more than those of the Prophets of God.

Does the Nation of Islam deserve to be characterized as an enemy to the peace of Humanity? Not nearly as much as the governments and rulers of this present age.

The Nation of Islam did not start the war in Iraq...or Afghanistan...or anywhere there are wars raging on our planet as a result of the "ordinary" foriegn policies of the West.

RM

Thursday, May 21, 2009

"Home-Grown Terrorists"? Says WHO???

Salaam (Peace) to all...

I just finished reading over an article discussing the newly discovered "homegrown terrorists" in New York.
http://pajamasmedia.com/phyllischesler/2009/05/21/homegrown-islamic-jihad-in-the-bronx-now-we-are-all-israelis/

It’s amazing to me how absolutely gullible many of my “fellow Americans” are…and are satisfied to be so.

There is another article...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,520961,00.html

...which states that the FBI had been "investigating" these individuals for nearly a year...and that they (FBI) even provided these so-called "terrorists" with "inert explosives" to carry out their planned attacks.

Questions:

Why didn't the FBI arrest them when they clearly expressed INTENT, when doing so qualifies as "conspiracy"?

Why did the FBI supply them with the materials to execute their plan?

Why wait until NOW to "make the bust"?

If these men are guilty of what they are charged for, they should be arrested and jailed. But what about America? Is America "innocent"?

Have we so soon forgotten the “Western Jihad” embarked upon by GW, which was based on lies, and which resulted in the bombings of schools, hospitals, places of worship, and is to this day costing untold loss of life on BOTH sides?

Why are not covert operatives of the U.S. Government -- who facilitate coups in foreign nations, carry out assassinations, and fabricate pretexts for wars -- labeled as "terrorists"?

Wake up, SHEEPLE…the Matrix has you!

It is a sad day, indeed, when the people’s worst enemy is THEIR OWN GOVERNMENT.

RM

Saturday, April 25, 2009

What is "JUSTICE"?

Salaam (Peace) to all.

The Hon. Elijah Muhammad, in "The Fall of America" had this to say about "Justice":

"Justice is a common thing. Yet, it is elusive. Men have sought its meaning and substance since time began. Plato shrugged that justice was nothing more than the wish of the strongest members of society. Jesus equated justice with brotherhood. Shakespeare saw it as a matter of mercy. I am here to tell you that justice is the eventual working out of the will of God as indicated in the fundamental principles of truth. Justice is the antithesis of wrong, the weapon God will use to bring judgment upon the world, the purpose and consummation of His coming."

Therefore, we could say that "Justice" is the restoration and maintenance of Allah's Divine Order and Balance throughout the Universe...particularly the "universe" of Man. The Principle of "Justice" is also known as "The Law of Cause and Effect".

No one gets away from the consequences of their choices and/or actions...EXCEPT by the Mercy of Allah. However, according to the Holy Qur'an, Allah allows that which we call "evil" to persist because it is serving a Purpose that is bigger and more valuable than the "evil", itself.

Many times, however, WE contribute to the persistence of a particular evil by either continuing in a certain behavior, ourselves; or by failing or refusing to adopt a "different" behavior. This principle is significantly more difficult to "deal with" because people are generally not very willing to accept FULL responsibility for their "reality"...that is, how their own decisions contributed to the creation a particular reality, and how it must be their own decisions to change or end it.

But again...rest assured...no one gets away. We come from the Divine, and must return to It...and when we return, all that we bring with us that is NOT Divine must be "burned away" by the "fire" of Justice (Chastisement).

RM

Saturday, February 21, 2009

"Stimulus" Package? Or "Deception"?

Salaam (Peace) to All...

While I certainly share in the concern of many for the well being of people of color as a result of so-called "Stimulus Package", I must say that the whole presentation smacks of deception; and I can't see how any of us can truly benefit from being deceived.

I am not saying that our new President - Mr. Barack Obama - is attempting to deceive the American people. I am saying that this deception has been going on since before President Obama was even born; and those same deceivers (and/or their successors) are working even more feverishly, now, to keep the deception going.

In the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's book, "The Fall of America", he states:

"The strong-hold of the American government is falling to pieces. She has lost her prestige among the nations of the earth. One of the greatest powers of America was her dollar. The loss of such power will bring any nation to weakness, for this is the media of exchange between nations. The English pound and the American dollar have been the power and beckoning light of these two great powers. But when the world went off the gold and silver standard, the financial doom of England and America was sealed.


"The pound has lost 50 percent of its value. America’s dollar has lost everything now as power backing for her currency, which was backed by gold for every $5 note and up. All of her currency was backed by silver, from a $1 note up.

"But today, the currency of America is not backed by any sound value - silver or gold. The note today is something that the government declares they will give you the value in return, but does not name what the value is. But they definitely are not backing their currency with silver or gold."


Thus, it could be said that the "fall" of America began when she went off the gold and silver standards as backing for her currency/economy.

Why did the world go off the gold and silver standard?

Where did all that gold "go"?

Who has it?

And WHY don't/won't they redistribute it to the Nations that need it to sustain their currencies/economies?


Here's another look at it...

If there is a fixed amount of gold to back a fixed amount of currency, then we can say the economy is "stable". However, to increase the amount of currency, while keeping the amount of gold "fixed", this means that each unit of currency is "devalued".

For example:

If I have my own economic system, and I have $100,000 in currency circulating through my economy, backed by 100 ounces of gold, that means that $1,000 will get me 1 ounce of gold. However, if I print or coin (add) an additional $100,000 dollars (total $200,000) in currency WITHOUT acquiring an additional amount of gold to back that additional currency (leaving the amount of gold at 100 ounces), then that same $1,000 will get me only 1/2 ounce of gold.

If I print an additional $100K, leaving the amount of gold fixed at 100 ounces, then that $1,000 will get me only 1/3 ounce of gold. $400K in currency backed by 100 ounces of gold means that $1,000 will get me only 1/4 ounce of gold.

You see the pattern? The more "currency" that is printed, without acquiring the gold/silver to back that additional currency, it only DEVALUES the currency...and thus the economy is not "stimulated"...but WEAKENED!

In California, the governor is planning to give taxpayers "IOU's" for their State tax refunds. Naturally, this has many people up in arms. What they don't realize is that they have been LIVING off of "IOU's" practically ALL THEIR LIVES, because the "dollars" they carry in their wallets or deposit in their bank accounts are actually...that's right..."IOU's" -- with no specified value or backing. Prior to going of the gold/silver standard, the paper currency in America used to read, "Pay the bearer, on demand, the equivalent in gold/silver", or words to that effect.

NOW, the money reads "Federal Reserve Note"..."This note is legal tender for all debts, public and private".

Think of it this way...it's like making Coffee (smile). In order to receive adequate "stimulus" from your morning cup of coffee, there must be a proper balance of coffee and water. If you add twice as much water, or more, to the same amount of coffee, you have to drink twice as much to get the same effect.

If you add four times as much water to the same amount of coffee, then you have to drink FOUR cups to get the same effect that you used to get from ONE.

The economy is being "watered down" to unacceptable levels, to the point where, soon, we will not be able to say we're "drinking coffee" at all...but only "brown water". Yuck!!

RM

Sunday, February 15, 2009

...On the Reality of God and Man, Pt. 2

Greetings, Mr. Watley...

In order for me to continue with you on this, the following questions will need to be answered directly:

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1) If God is NOT a "HE", then to use "HE" in reference to God is logically and Mathematically INCORRECT. This is simple reasoning. If you are not a "fish", then to use the word "fish" to describe you would be INCORRECT.

Yet, you say that the Bible and Qur'an use the word "HE" for the purpose of "clarity of conversation". I ask you, again, Mr. Watley...

"How does using INCORRECT LANGUAGE produce 'clarity of conversation'?"

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2) When you say YOUR concept of God "Lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God", and the Qur'an uses "HE" and "HIM" and "HIS"...gender references...God is referring to HIMSELF in terms of Gender...are you saying that you know better than GOD how to refer to Him?

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3) EVERY PROPHET or MESSENGER that Allah(God) ever chose, according to Scripture (with the possible exception of Jonah), immediately began to proclaim their Messengership to the Public, in an attempt to make their presence known, and make God's Will known.

What is YOUR "messenger" waiting on? If he's anointed by God, why doesn't he show himself? With the world in such turmoil and darkness, why doesn't he show his "light" to the world? What's he waiting for? If he is a "messenger", when are we going to hear his "message"?

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Greetings Mr. Reuben,

"How does using INCORRECT LANGUAGE produce 'clarity of conversation'?"

Your first question infers that the Bible and the Quran is using incorrect language when masculine pronouns are use to refer to God.
Firstly, Mr. Reuben you ought to understand, it is correct language usage to refer to God in the masculine pronouns. God does not have a proper name. In other words, God does not have a name like Adam, Eve or Elijah. The label [God] is understood to be a title. For instance, an entity would have a title, and God is a special title, it is above the title of a king or president. In the Bible when one party speaking to another party refers to God or speaking of God period, the pronouns are capitalize that the reader would know that the pronoun is referring to God and not a person.

I believe it is a type of written vernacular. Thus, it is correct language usage. For example, if you were talking about an ordinary person using pronouns. The recipient would understand, and not be confused by what is being said by the other person. However, if you are going to refer to God, the pronouns are capitalize as a type of code that the recipient would automatically tune in that the capitalized pronoun is referring to God and not just person. Again, it is a type of written vernacular.

When you say YOUR concept of God "Lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God", and the Qur'an uses "HE" and "HIM" and "HIS"...gender references...God is referring to HIMSELF in terms of Gender...are you saying that you know better than GOD how to refer to Him?

When I said my concept of God, lines up with the Quran’s concept, I am saying that the way or how the Quran expresses the essence of God’s being is quite acceptable to me. In other words, the pronouns have nothing to do with the definition of God, as expressed by the Quran. Therefore, I understand the vernacular usage of the pronouns, but on the other hand, I am only agreeing with the Quran’s concept that Allah is not a human man.

Thus, this question does not configure with in what you really want.
However, I know what you mean and what you are asking me. First, let us understand that God does not talk at all. I do not believe that God has a tongue. Therefore, God cannot refer to himself. Again, this is a type of vernacular between one person and the next person. God does not speak a language as Mr. Fard Muhammad spoke several different languages. Since God mentally communicates directly into the mind of the Messenger or Prophet, speaking is not necessary.
Hence, I do not know better than God does, but I do know better than man does.

EVERY PROPHET or MESSENGER that Allah(God) ever chose, according to Scripture (with the possible exception of Jonah), immediately began to proclaim their Messengership to the Public, in an attempt to make their presence known, and make God's Will known.

Let me explain something to you about genuine Prophets or Messenger concerning their message or task. I will use myself as an example; let us say that God chose me concerning this sovereignty deal for Black Americans. God would inspire me with the concept of sovereignty. It would then be mentally explained to me that there is no other alternative and why.

However, to answer your question directly, it would be up to me (the messenger) how the message of sovereignty is convey. Bear in mind that God is constantly inspiring the messenger. If I should not understand, something that well, God will inspire that answer in my mind and I will then reveal it. Thus, my short answer is that it is up to the Messenger how he comes out to the public with his message. But let me tell you this, the public is not fooled about these particular people. The things they say, their wisdom and understanding are a give away from the start. Their own people usually categorized them from the very beginning, as crazy. However, Messengers go right to the head of the problems God raised them to overcome.

What is YOUR "messenger" waiting on? If he's anointed by God, why doesn't he show himself? With the world in such turmoil and darkness, why doesn't he show his "light" to the world? What's he waiting for? If he is a "messenger", when are we going to hear his "message"?

Well, I have always maintained that my message is the sovereignty of Black Americans on a portion of this continent we can call our own country with borders. You asked why not this messenger shows himself. Perhaps, you can see. I noticed that you use the world as the Messenger, responsibility to correct. Messengers or Prophets does not come to the world. They come to the people of their own race. The world is too big for a prophet to handle. In other words, the world is God’s responsibility. Thus, the short answer is that sovereignty is the message.

Sovereignty was never a part of the Nation of Islam’s agenda for Black Americans. I know that sovereignty is our only permanent solution on a portion of this continent that would make us a real people. Neither Minister Farrakhan, nor Elijah are anointed and inspired to bring sovereignty to the surface for Black Americans.

What say you?




Greetings, Mr. Watley:

You said that my first question "infers that the Bible and the Qur'an is using incorrect language when masculine pronouns are use to refer to God".

Sir, you obviously misunderstood the question. Here it is, again, in full:

"If God is NOT a "HE", then to use "HE" in reference to God is logically and Mathematically INCORRECT. This is simple reasoning. If you are not a "fish", then to use the word "fish" to describe you would be INCORRECT.

Yet, you say that the Bible and Qur'an use the word "HE" for the purpose of "clarity of conversation". I ask you, again, Mr. Watley...

"How does using INCORRECT LANGUAGE produce 'clarity of conversation'?"


It is YOU that is saying God IS NOT a "HE". Therefore, I am entertaining YOUR suggestion and using that as the base for my question.

I started off by saying "IF God is NOT a 'HE', then to use 'HE' in reference to God is logically and Mathematically INCORRECT."

Your earlier statement supports this principle:
"When the Quran refers to Allah as He, His and Him it is just for clarity of understanding and language. If you have noticed when I refer to God, I do not use any gender."

So, again, you say YOU do not use any gender. Yet, you say your concept of God lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God...and the Qur'an uses "HE".

You further state that "...it is correct language usage to refer to God in the masculine pronouns."

This is what I have been saying all along, because remember, I BELIEVE GOD IS MAN! Therefore, it makes perfect sense to me to use "HE" in reference to God; because I believe God IS a "HE"...a Man!

It is YOU that is saying God is NOT a "HE"...that God is not "Man". The problem is, you claim God is NOT Man, yet you say it is correct to use Language in reference to God that DESCRIBES a Man -- "HE".

So, again, I asked you a logical question, in "IF, THEN" format:

"IF" God is NOT Man (Masculine Gender),
"AND" The word "HE" describes Man (Masculine Gender),
"THEN" It is INCORRECT to use "HE" in reference to God. It is INCORRECT to attribute "masculine gender" to THAT WHICH has "no gender".

HOW, Mr. Watley, does using INCORRECT LANGUAGE bring about "clarity of understanding"?

The term used to describe "entities" with "no gender" is ..."IT". So, if YOU insist that God has "no gender", then YOU must say "IT"...and not "HE"; which also means, that You CANNOT say that your concept of God "Lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God, because you describe a "genderless" God, while the Holy Qur'an describes a "masculine" God.

You further stated:
"When I said my concept of God, lines up with the Quran’s concept, I am saying that the way or how the Quran expresses the essence of God’s being is quite acceptable to me."

Sir, if that is true, then you would use the word "HE", because the Qur'an uses the word "HE". But, again, you stated that you prefer to use "no gender". So how can the Qur'an's expression be "quite acceptable" to you, yet you refuse to use that expression yourself? ...Another contradiction.

The fact remains that ALLAH chose the Language "HE" to refer to Himself. Are you suggesting that ALLAH -- the Sustainer of All Existence by Exact Mathematical Laws -- is given to "loose expression" when offering Guidance to the People? Is that what you are saying, sir?

You cannot prove such an absurd notion.

Next, you state:
"Since God mentally communicates directly into the mind of the Messenger or Prophet, speaking is not necessary."

Sir, Both the Bible and Qur'an, which you have acknowledge are from God, they refute your notion that God does not "speak" a Language. Whom, then, do you expect me to believe...God? Or you, who can't seem to stay out of the pit of contradiction?

God's Word is consistent, when properly understood.

Your word, however, is not only inconsistent, but contradictory of itself. The record of these exchanges shows this clearly.

Lastly, you stated:
"Sovereignty was never a part of the Nation of Islam’s agenda for Black Americans."

Sir, You again are contradicting yourself. Here's what you said earlier:
"We are on the same sides, supposedly we both want the same thing and that is sovereignty for our people on a portion of this continent we can call our own country with borders."

So, first, you AGREE that the Nation of Islam and yourself are "on the same side", with regard to "sovereignty", then, you flip and say that "Sovereignty was never a part of the Nation of Islam’s agenda for Black Americans."

Consider the words of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad which have been in print since BEFORE 1965.

What The Muslims Want
4. We want our people in America whose parents or grandparents were descendants from slaves, to be allowed to establish a separate state or territory of their own -- either on this continent or elsewhere. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to provide such land and that the area must be fertile and minerally rich. We believe that our former slave masters are obligated to maintain and supply our needs in this separate territory for the next 20 to 25 years--until we are able to produce and supply our own needs.

Since we cannot get along with them in peace and equality, after giving them 400 years of our sweat and blood and receiving in return some of the worst treatment human beings have ever experienced, we believe our contributions to this land and the suffering forced upon us by white America, justifies our demand for complete separation in a state or territory of our own.


What the Muslims Believe
9. WE BELIEVE that the offer of integration is hypocritical and is made by those who are trying to deceive the black peoples into believing that their 400-year-old open enemies of freedom, justice and equality are, all of a sudden, their "friends." Furthermore, we believe that such deception is intended to prevent black people from realizing that the time in history has arrived for the separation from the whites of this nation.

If the white people are truthful about their professed friendship toward the so-called Negro, they can prove it by dividing up America with their slaves. We do not believe that America will ever be able to furnish enough jobs for her own millions of unemployed, in addition to jobs for the 20,000,000 black people as well.

http://www.noi.org/muslim_program.htm


Again, Mr. Watley, you have been SHOWN to be INCORRECT in your assumptions.

It is more than apparent that you are not willing to submit to the clear and obvious Truths that negate your assertions. I am not saying you have to agree with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad and His Position. What I am saying is that the Basis of your disagreement has nothing to do with Truth. It is apparently based on your vain desire to be recognized as a "leader" or "messenger".

Mr. Watley, I have appreciated these exchanges...but they are beginning to be redundant. If you have nothing more to present other than what has already been presented...and defeated...then I will thank you for your endulgence and wish you God's Mercy and Peace.

Salaam.

Bro. Reuben Muhammad
Nation Of Islam

A Discussion on the Reality of God and Man

In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful...the Best Knower.

The following is part of a discussion initiated with me a couple of days ago, by one Mr. Harry Watley, on the Concept of God and Man, and the Relationship between the two. I informed him that I intended to make the exchanges "open" for public reading, and he obliged.


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... Greetings Mr. Reuben, You asked me a question concerning my concept of God. My concept of God lines up with the Quran’s concept of God. The Quran says, God neither begets, nor is God begotten and there is nothing like unto God.

The clear meaning of this concept is that what ever God is, God is not within the boundaries of our three dimensional world, which God created.


To beget means to give physical birth to any living thing. Begotten is when someone gives physical birth to any living thing. Consequentially, the Sura is declaring that God’s existence is not like ours. The Sura makes sure that the reader understands by going a bit further to say that, there is nothing like unto God.

God is an entity that I hold responsible for the creation or existence of man and all that I see and all that I do not see. It is outside of commonsense to believe that God could be a man as well as man be God. That is the same as to say that the creator and creation is one in the same. Only a man as naïve as Elijah was would believe that Mr. Fard Muhammad was God. However, there is absolutely no good reason for anyone of you having a greater education then Elijah should believe a man is God.

Man is a product of God’s supreme intelligence. Sometimes God is referred to as The Intelligent Designer. Man does not have the intelligence to have designed himself, since man is still studying how his body works. If man were God, man would already know how his body works. Man had no queue what his internal structure look like until he became curious to bisect a corpse. If man were God, it would not be necessary that man would be studying himself.


Now, the relationship between God and man is mental. In other words, it is through the mind and not the legs, arms or ears that God communicates or guides the Messenger or Prophet. In turn, the Prophet guides only his people from the inspiration of God. Jesus once said, as he began his pray to God, that he knows God sees and hears him all the time. Jesus did not mean that God sees Jesus through eyes balls or hear him with genuine ears. It is all happening, mentally speaking.
Now, let me ask you this specific question. Is the Nation of Islam an organize religion? What say you?

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Salaam (Peace), Mr. Watley...and thank you for your answer to my question.

You stated that your concept of God "lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God". Ok, we'll use that as a reference.

You also stated that "God is an entity...".

entity
:
[1590–1600; < ML entitās, equiv. to enti- (s. of ēns), prp. of esse "to be" + -tās -ty]
noun, plural -ties.
1. something that has a real existence; thing: corporeal entities.
2. being or existence, esp. when considered as distinct, independent, or self-contained: He conceived of society as composed of particular entities requiring special treatment.
3. essential nature: The entity of justice is universality.

exist(ence):
[L. existere, exsistere, "to step out or forth, emerge, appear", exist; ex "out" + sistere "to cause to stand, to set, put, place, stand still", fr. stare "to stand": cf. F. exister. See Stand.]
1. to have actual being; be:
2. to have life or animation; live.
3. to continue to be or live:
4. to have being in a specified place or under certain conditions; be found; occur:
5. to achieve the basic needs of existence, as food and shelter:


So then, if we take your statement as true, that "God is an entity", then it is also true that God has "existence", meaning that God "emerged", or "stepped out or forth" from something.

What did God "emerge" or "step forth from"? And how can it be demonstrated that God "emerged" or "stepped forth" from something if God is not different from That which He "emerged" or "stepped forth" from? In other words, there must be some way to differentiate "God" from that which He "emerged" or "stepped forth" from, if we are going to say that God "exists".

To say that God "is an entity", by definition, is to say that God has existence; and to say God has "existence" is to say that God had a "beginning". How did God begin?

Remember, I am using only the words that you gave, as a base for this part of the discussion.

Now, you cite the Holy Qur'an wherein it says that God "begets not, and is not begotten". Well, on the physical level, maybe...in terms of the act of "sex". However, let's have a closer look at the word "beget".

beget:
[O.E. begietan "to get by effort, find, acquire, attain, seize," from be- + get (q.v.). Sense of "to procreate" is from 1205.]
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause to exist or occur; produce as an effect.


As we can see from the etymology (root meaning) of the word, its original sense is that of "causing to exist or occur", or "producing as an effect".

Thus we can see that God did indeed "beget" the Universe and Man, for did not God "cause" these things "to exist"? Did He not "produce" them as "effects".

You went on to say that "The clear meaning of this concept is that what ever God is, God is not within the boundaries of our three dimensional world, which God created."

Sir, this is not what the Qur'an says.

Consider the following verse:
"And certainly We created man, and We know what his mind suggests to him -- and We are nearer to him than his life-vein." (50:16)

If MAN is "within the boundaries of our three dimensional world", and Allah (God) says He is nearer to Man than his own life-vein, then we cannot say that Allah (God) is NOT within the same boundaries. Whereever Man is, God is.

You state that "Man is the Product of God's Supreme Intelligence". The Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us that the Intelligence of God "IS" the Intelligence of Man. God controls the material of the Universe...and Man controls the material of the Universe. Impossible, you say?

Of what is Man's Body composed, but systems?
Of what are Man's systems composed, but organs?
Of what are Man's organs composed, but tissues?
Of what are Man's tissues composed, but cells?
Of what are Man's cells composed, but organelles and molecules?
Of what are Man's organelles and molecules composed, but Atoms?

And of what are Man's atoms composed, but protons, neutrons and electrons? And, what is the difference between the protons, neutrons and electrons that compose Man's body; and those that compose the rest of the known Universe? There is no difference. Our bodies are PART of the Universe.

Where, then is the "I"...the Conscsiousness? Since it cannot be put under a microscope and pointed among the dense cloud of Atoms we call our "bodies", Where is the "I" of Man...and WHAT is it? It is clearly the Intelligence that governs that part of the Universe that we call our "bodies".

Is there more than ONE Force at work in the Universe? Is there more than ONE Intelligence at work in the Universe? If there is only ONE Intelligence at work in the Universe, and WE exist in this Universe and can demonstrate that we possess intelligence, then it is also clear that the Intelligence that Governs the Macrocosm is the same Intelligence that Governs the microcosm.

If, as one of the Attributes of Allah states, He is "the First", then everything that came AFTER Him, necessarily came FROM Him, and if it came FROM Him, then it is a reflection OF Him. Therefore, MAN is a "reflection" of God, and not just ANY reflection either...for the Holy Qur'an states that Allah created Man in "the best make"...meaning Man is the "best" reflection of God.

Second, Allah states in the Qur'an that He created man of black mud, fashioned into shape...and then "breathed into him" of His Spirit. In another place in the Qur'an, Allah says that He Created Man "from a single Essence". Here, we can see that Allah Created Man to be the Carrier of His Own Spirit and Essence. This is "God in Man". This is "the Qur'an's concept of God".

Additionally, in every single Qur'an that is considered "authentic", we can find the words, "Qul Huw Allahu Ahad"..."Say: HE, Allah, is One". ..."HE".

If Allah (God) is not Man, then why does He instruct us to refer to Him in Language that describes a Man? (He, Him, His)

Again, you stated: "what ever God is, God is not within the boundaries of our three dimensional world, which God created." This statement seems to suggest that you, yourself "don't know" what God is. If you admit that you don't know what God IS...how can you say you know what God "is not" (as in "Man").

You say that God is not within the boundaries of the Universe He Created. Why not? If I build a house, I can live in the house that I built. If God Builds or Creates a Universe, why can't He live in that which He Created for Himself?

Lastly, for this part of the discussion, you stated: "the relationship between God and man is mental. In other words, it is through the mind and not the legs, arms or ears that God communicates or guides the Messenger or Prophet."

Again, this is not lining up, completely, the Qur'an's concept of God. Remember, above, it is shown that the relation between God and Man is "spiritual", in that the Spirit of God is IN Man, and is the Essence of Man. Also, in the Holy Qur'an, we read: "We have made some of these messengers to excel others. Among them are they to whom Allah spoke..." (2:253)

If Allah "spoke" to "some" of His Messengers, then He didn't just communicate with them "mentally"...He "spoke" to them. What did Allah "speak" with?

There simply is no Truth to the idea of God being separate from Man. The very notion of being separate from the Creator is what renders man powerless against those who trick him into such false belief.

"Say: He, Allah, is ONE". ...Ok...let's look at it.

If Allah is "ONE", then from that One He Produces "another" (2)...and another (3)...and "from these two...spread many men and women..." Then, just as we can look at the numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7....and so on, and see that "1" exists in every number that comes after it... likewise, we can look at "the One God" and His Relation to Man the same way...that God is IN Man, just as "1" is IN the numbers that come from/after "1".

Therefore, we have mathematical, scientific and Qur'anic evidence that there is no separation between God and Man, and there never can be. The question is not whether Man is Connected to God, but whether Man is in Harmony with the Essence and Nature of God within Him (Man).

If you say God is something separate from Man, I say, as the Hon. Elijah Muhammad said, "Show Him to me. I can show you my God. Show me yours." Sincerely,




Greetings, Mr. Watley... You stated:

"As I begin, I will say this to you as a general rule I have come to experience and accept. Almost all Negroes whether they be Muslims or Christians complicates everything, because they see everything complicated. Another nature that the Negro has is that they will argue about anything, just for the sake of arguing. We developed this adverse nature through slavery. This negative nature of ours prevents us from ever uniting. The Willie Lynch letter clearly justifies what I just said."


What does this statement, above, have to do with what we are discussing?



"...there is one amongst us who will firmly and constructively, set us, Black American people, who are descendents of slaves on the path of sovereignty rather than to tie us up in religious rhetoric of the Arabic people religion of Islam as Min. Louis Farrakhan continues to do.


If you recall, Mr. Watley, I asked you recently to NAME this "one amongst us", and you never answered my request. Who is this one you speak of? WHAT IS HIS NAME? WHERE is he located?

It was YOU, Sir, that said your concept of God "lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God". Are YOU tied up in "religious rhetoric of the Arabic people religion of Islam"? Do you see how you are contradicting yourself?

The Hon. Louis Farrakhan is Teaching us the Truth of Islam, that it is NOT an "Arab" religion. Since you stated that your concept of God "lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God", then you must know that Allah refers to Islam as "the Nature made by Allah in which He has Created Man"...Not a "religion" in that narrow sense, but the NATURE in which God Created Man. Therefore, ISLAM -- According to the Qur'an which you say you align your concept of God with -- Is the NATURE of Man...and the Natural Religion (Way of Life) of Man.

You have no logical "leg" to stand on, here, especially when you say you agree with the Qur'an's concept of God...since the Qur'an's concept of God is the Essence of the entire Book.



"...God will do for us the same as when Moses was guided and inspired by God to do for his Hebrew people in Egypt."


I agree with you here...the only exception being in the "tense" used. You are speaking in the "future" tense, that God WILL do; while the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught and demonstrated...and FULFILLED...the fact that God HAS DONE it already. The History and Work of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad among us is UNMATCHED in its parallel to the Prophetic account of Moses and Aaron and the Children of Israel in Egypt...and that INCLUDES the person and work of the Hon. Louis Farrakhan (Aaron). So we agree in principle on this point...just differ in the time of its fulfillment...and of course the persons who will fulfill it.



"Okay, let me broaden your understand of the word, ‘entity’. Yes, the word entity does mean existence. At this junction the question becomes, are there different sort of existence. Of course there is different sorts of existence. Your mind should be able to comprehend that very easily.
What happened is that you have jump to the conclusion that God’s existence is the same as man’s existence. If you cannot understand through common sense reasoning that the essence of one type of existence compared to something else could be entirely different. This is the precise junction of our argument that you are not connecting. You are assuming that the nature of all existence is the same."

Mr. Watley...Again, you are contradicting yourself. You started out by suggesting that I was making things "too complicated" in my explanation of the reality of God. Now, however, you are saying that I "jumped" to a conclusion...meaning, took a mental "short cut".

If you examine my post again, you will see a Mathematical explanation ...from point to point...in accord with easily observable phenomena in Nature, which cannot be said to be a "jump". So, you must decide...either I am "making things too complicated"...or I am "jumping to conclusions".

I simply defined the word "existence" according to the dictionary, including its etymology (root meaning). I know you would like for me to "ignore" the actual meanings of certain words, so it would be easier for me to accept your loose usage of them; but that would be a betrayal of my own intelligence.

WORDS have exact meanings, and if you mean something other than what the dictionary gives as the definition of "entity", then you should use another word. I only took the words YOU used, and opened up their actual meanings...not their "loose usage", which changes from time to time.

The FACT is, either something "exists", or it doesn't. If we say something "exists", we are saying it has "emerged" or "stepped forth" from somewhere, and has become distinctly different from "non-existence"...AND, we are saying that it has a "beginning". Thus, that which "exists" must be "measurable" in some fashion. When you say God is "an Entity", that is a "noun"...and we are taught in school that a "noun" is a "person, place or thing". ALL of these "exist" within 3-dimensional space.



"...the material mass of God’s existence is different from ours. Like wise, out of space Martians material mass is entirely different from ours. I am saying the same thing as the Quran is saying. In essence, the Quran is saying that the nature or material mass of God’s existence is different from ours, and there is nothing in this three-dimensional world you can use to compare God’s existence to. Whatever material mass God is, it is different from ours."


Here, again, you are helping to prove my point. You are stating that "God's existence" has "material mass"...let us look up those words:

material:
[c.1386 (adj.) "pertaining to matter," a term in scholastic philosophy and theology, from L.L. materialis (adj.) "of or belonging to matter," from L. materia "matter, stuff, wood, timber" (see matter).]

noun
1. the substance or substances of which a thing is made or composed: Stone is a durable material.
2. anything that serves as crude or raw matter to be used or developed: Wood pulp is the raw material from which paper is made.
3. any constituent element.
4. a textile fabric: material for a dress.
5. a group of ideas, facts, data, etc., that may provide the basis for or be incorporated into some integrated work: to gather material for a history of North Carolina; to write material for a comedy show.
6. materials, the articles or apparatus needed to make or do something: writing materials.
7. a person considered as having qualities suited to a particular sphere of activity: The boy's teachers did not think he was college material.
adjective
8. formed or consisting of matter; physical; corporeal: the material world.
9. relating to, concerned with, or involving matter: material forces.
10. pertaining to the physical rather than the spiritual or intellectual aspect of things: material comforts.
11. pertaining to or characterized by an undue interest in corporeal things; unspiritual.
12. of substantial import; of much consequence; important: Your support will make a material difference in the success of our program.
13. pertinent or essential (usually fol. by to): a question not material to the subject at hand.
14. Law. likely to influence the determination of a case: material evidence.
15. Philosophy. of or pertaining to matter as distinguished from form.

matter:
noun
1. the substance or substances of which any physical object consists or is composed: the matter of which the earth is made.
2. physical or corporeal substance in general, whether solid, liquid, or gaseous, esp. as distinguished from incorporeal substance, as spirit or mind, or from qualities, actions, and the like.
3. something that occupies space.
4. a particular kind of substance: coloring matter.
5. a situation, state, affair, or business: a trivial matter.
6. an amount or extent reckoned approximately: a matter of 10 miles.
7. something of consequence: matter for serious thought.
8. importance or significance: decisions of little matter.
9. difficulty; trouble (usually prec. by the): There is something the matter.
10. ground, reason, or cause: a matter for complaint.
11. the material or substance of a discourse, book, etc., often as distinguished from its form.
12. things put down in words, esp. printed: reading matter.
13. things sent by mail: postal matter.
14. a substance discharged by a living body, esp. pus.
15. Philosophy. a. that which by integrative organization forms chemical substances and living things. b. Aristotelianism. that which relates to form as potentiality does to actuality.
16. Law. statement or allegation.
17. Printing. a. material for work; copy. b. type set up.
18. Christian Science. the concept of substance shaped by the limitations of the human mind.

mass:
[c.1400, from O.Fr. masse "lump" (11c.), from L. massa "kneaded dough, lump, that which adheres together like dough," from Gk. maza "barley cake, lump, mass, ball," related to massein "to knead,"]
noun
1. a body of coherent matter, usually of indefinite shape and often of considerable size: a mass of dough.
2. a collection of incoherent particles, parts, or objects regarded as forming one body: a mass of sand.
3. aggregate; whole (usually prec. by in the): People, in the mass, mean well.
4. a considerable assemblage, number, or quantity: a mass of errors; a mass of troops.
5. bulk, size, expanse, or massiveness: towers of great mass and strength.
6. Fine Arts.
a. Painting. an expanse of color or tone that defines form or shape in general outline rather than in detail.
b. a shape or three-dimensional volume that has or gives the illusion of having weight, density, and bulk.
7. the main body, bulk, or greater part of anything: the great mass of American films.
8. Physics. the quantity of matter as determined from its weight or from Newton's second law of motion. Abbreviation: m Compare weight (def. 2), relativistic mass, rest mass.
9. Pharmacology. a preparation of thick, pasty consistency, from which pills are made.
10. the masses, the ordinary or common people as a whole; the working classes or the lower social classes.

So, again, you are contradicting yourself because BOTH "material" and "mass" are defined as "existing" within 3-Dimensional space...just look at the definitions of the words. They suggest "shape" and "form", and "occupying space". Again, these are the words YOU used. I'm only providing the actual definitions for the words...what they actually MEAN. So, like I said before, if you MEAN something different from what these words MEAN, then you need to use different words to get your idea over; because your own words used thus far only confirm what the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught.

Language is like Mathematics. Every symbol MEANS something, and if we misplace a symbol, or don't understand a symbol, it causes wrong answers and confusion. We can't be "loose" with Language any more than we can be "loose" with Mathematical Calculations...IF we want to get the correct answer.



"I said that the proper definition for God is the entity responsible for all creation. The proper definition of the title of God is the one responsible for all creation. You are not really trying to understand what I am saying as much as you are trying to defeat me. We are on the same sides, supposedly we both want the same thing and that is sovereignty for our people on a portion of this continent we can call our own country with borders. We are far from this goal, intelligently speaking, yet we will get there.
So, entity does mean to existence. However, there are different kinds of existence, and this is what I cannot get across to you."


Pardon me, Sir...but it was YOU who came to me saying that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was "wrong"...and not God sent, and YOU proceeded to try to "defeat" His arguments. I am only defending the Truth...WITH Truth...and with a little help with your own words...(smile).



"Now, as far as the word begets goes. You are miss applying the word, beget for what you really wants to say, beget is not the word. When you said that God begets the universe and man since God caused the existence of both is wrong. The choice word that you should be using is,’ CREATE’ and not beget or cause. It is the art of good communication to use the right words to convey your thoughts precisely as it lines up with common sense and reality. In other words, God did not cause anything, since God created everything. Human beings cause things to happen. Human beings beget and are begotten. Human beings can be compared to many different things in this three dimensional world. However, the essence of God’s existence, there is no comparison. I cannot make you understand and when it gets beyond my powers then, only Allah’s favors can have you to understand."

Mr. Watley, you say that God didn't "beget", or "cause anything". Are you saying that God did not Cause the Universe to "exist"? Are you saying that God did not "Cause" the Universe to "emerge" or "appear" or "step forth" from non-existence? You say that God "created", but didn't "cause". Ok, let's look at it. Here's what I stated earlier regarding "beget":

beget:
[O.E. begietan "to get by effort, find, acquire, attain, seize," from be- + get (q.v.). Sense of "to procreate" is from 1205.]
1. (esp. of a male parent) to procreate or generate (offspring).
2. to cause to exist or occur; produce as an effect.

As we can see from the etymology (root meaning) of the word, its original sense is that of "causing to exist or occur", or "producing as an effect".

Thus we can see that God did indeed "beget" the Universe and Man, for did not God "cause" these things "to exist"? Did He not "produce" them as "effects".


Now, let's look at the definition of the word "create".

create:
[1350–1400; ME creat (ptp.) < L creātus, equiv. to creā- (s. of creāre to make) + -tus ptp. suffix]
–verb (used with object)
1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.
2. to evolve from one's own thought or imagination, as a work of art or an invention.
3. Theater. to perform (a role) for the first time or in the first production of a play.
4. to make by investing with new rank or by designating; constitute; appoint: to create a peer.
5. to be the cause or occasion of; give rise to: The announcement created confusion.
6. to cause to happen; bring about; arrange, as by intention or design: to create a revolution; to create an opportunity to ask for a raise.

Do you see the parallel? Both words carry the same meaning...not according to YOU or ME...but according to the Dictionary, which is a book containing the actual meanings of words used in Language.

According to the definitions...

"beget" means "to cause to exist or occur"
"create" means "to cause to come into being, to cause to happen"

I think we can agree that to "exist" is congruent with to "come into being"; and that "occur" is congruent with "happen".

Thus, we can conclude that both words carry the same meaning "to cause".

Now, in Mathematical terms, we can further prove the statement.

IF a = c, and b = c, then a = b.

And if we set up the following evaluation:

a = beget
b = create
c = cause

Then we can restate the equation like so:

If "beget" = "cause", and "create" = "cause", then "beget" = "create".

So, from your own words, you have confirmed the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's Teaching that there is no separation between God and Man.



"Mr. Reuben, this verse (50:16) is telling you that God created man and how close God is to man. This verse does not say anything about what God’s existence is, and that is what this dialoguing is all about. Please accept this with love; you need to improve the quality of your understanding of things.
The nearness that God is to man, is mentally. The expression of the jugular vein is just an example for the reader to mentally grasp how close God is to man and not that man is God or God is man."


Ok, let's say that I accept that statement. It still is a contradiction of what you initially claimed, that God is "not within the boundaries of the 3-dimensional universe". Here, you are admitting that God is "close" to Man. How can God be "close" to Man if God is somewhere outside the Universe, trillions of miles away? Can you see the contradiction here? It's not making logical sense, Mr. Watley.



When I said that, man is the product of God supreme intelligence, it has nothing to do with the universe. What I said, concerns God’s intelligence and man. You go on about neutrons, protons, and electrons, which have nothing to do with the topic of God’s existence, being different from human existence. You have the tendency to go off on different tangents. For you to bring the universe in, shows me you have serious problems comprehending things.

Mr. Watley, you did say that "man is the product of God's supreme intelligence". You used the word "product", which means "something produced". Therefore, if "man is the product of God's Supreme Intelligence, then God's Supreme Intelligence "produced" Man.

Now, if God's Supreme Intelligence "produced" Man, then let's look at that word "beget" again...

beget - "to cause to exist or occur; PRODUCE as an effect.

Thus, we could also say that God "begat" Man...according to your own word usage, and the DEFINITIONS of those words. Is that NOT what you mean? Then you need to find different words to better express your ideas.



"When the Quran refers to Allah as He, His and Him it is just for clarity of understanding and language."

If God is NOT a "HE", then to use the word "HE" to refer to God is INCORRECT, right? So Please tell me, Mr. Watley, How does using "incorrect" language bring clarity of understanding? Please explain that to me...



"If you have noticed when I refer to God, I do not use any gender."

That's fine...that's your choice to use whatever language you like. However, when you say YOUR concept of God "Lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God", and the Qur'an uses "HE" and "HIM" and "HIS"...gender references...God is referring to HIMSELF in terms of Gender...are you saying that you know better than GOD how to refer to Him? Come now, Mr. Watley, you can't be saying that...can you?



"No, I do not know what God material mass is, but I do know what man’s material mask is. Therefore, I can say with certainty that God is not man. When you know, what something is, you can then exclude everything else. Is not that common sense thinking?"

Yes, when you know what "something" is, you CAN exclude everything else. However, you openly admit that you DO NOT KNOW what God is! So you can't "exclude" ANYTHING from the equation of what God is...because you DON'T KNOW...you admit that, right?

You say you know what MAN is, and if that were true, then you could exclude everything that you know Man is "not". However, do you REALLY know what Man is? You couldn't even bring yourself to confront the reality of Man's physical composition, all the way down to the atoms, where it becomes clear that the Body of Man is just as much a part of the Universe as is any Star in the "heavens", and that the Root of Man is NOT His "body", but a Single, Omni-Present Intelligence that finds its fullest expression IN and THROUGH "Man". You and I are but temporary individual manifestations of that ONE, ETERNAL SPIRIT or INTELLIGENCE, and for Such was the body of man Created, to give Expression to the Intelligence of God. There can be no separation between the two...only disharmony.



"When the Quran says that God spoke, it is a figure of speech. It is not necessary to audibly speak since the Spirit of God inspires and guides the Messenger, mentally.

I am going to close here, because I do not like to write too much, because when I you do, the point get lost in to many words.

So, what I have said is this, God’s existence is different from the existence of man. The verse I used from the Quran, explaining God’s existence cannot be explained any better for the average intelligent person to understand.

Furthermore, I had asked you, do you believe that the religion of Islam that you practice and is preached in Mosque Maryum, if it is an organized religion? Now, bear in mind that what we want more than anything else is sovereignty on a portion of this continent we can call our own country with borders. So again, are the Black Muslims, who are followers of Min. Louis Farrakhan involved in an organized religion and comes to worship every Sunday in Mosque Maryum?

Now I know the answer to my question to you. The answer is absolutely, yes.

What say you?"


Mr. Watley, with all due respect, Sir, it is clear that you are expressing yourself from your own imaginations and not from ACTUAL FACT. Allah, in the Holy Qur'an, uses BOTH words to describe how He communicates to His Messengers. He uses "inspiration" and "spoke". The Arabic word for "inspiration" is no doubt different from the Arabic word for "spoke". What purpose would it serve to use to different words, with different meanings, to express the same idea? That would only cause confusion, and we know that God is not the author of confusion, right? God is not given to the use of loose language like a "figure of speech". Indeed, the maintence of that which He Created demands strict adherence to very precise laws and expressions, Language being one of them. So, we can't say that "spoke" is a "figure of speech". Allah says what He MEANS, and MEANS what He says. It is "fallen man" that gives to the use of loose expression. Indeed, that is exactly why man is "fallen".

Now, regarding your question about whether or not the Nation of Islam is an "organized religion". Sir, have you forgotten that you live in an "Organized" Universe? Have you forgotten that "Organization" is Essential to Life and Progress? When you use the term "organized religion", do you mean as opposed to "dis-organized" religion?

And if GOD has "organized" a religion, then what is wrong with it?

The Nation of Islam is a NATION...based on the Principles of ISLAM, which is, as pointed out in the Holy Qur'an, "the Nature made by Allah in which He has created man."

Do you deny that when you are trying to save a lost and divided people that you must first UNITE and ORGANIZE them according to their NATURE?

If you do not want "Organized" Religion...would you prefer "dis-organized" religion? Or, "Dis-organized Spirituality"? Well you must know that is a lost battle, for we can see from our own experience that an "organized lie" is more powerful than "disorganized" Truth.

So, the real question, Sir, is not whether the Nation of Islam is an "Organized Religion". The REAL question is whether or not the Nation of Islam is founded by GOD on the principles of TRUTH, FREEDOM, JUSTICE and EQUALITY.

I think it has been demonstrated here, by the Help of Allah, that the answer is "YES".

I look forward to your response, Sir.



Greetings Mr. Reuben,

Let me give you an example of what I meant that Negroes complicates anything as well as argue about everything. Take your argument of the word beget, cause and create. The word creates, if used properly, can only be associated with God. Notice number one under the definition, create. It says this, “1. to cause to come into being, as something unique that would not naturally evolve or that is not made by ordinary processes.” Therefore, man cannot create. Man can only beget or cause.

You have taken this simple understanding and complicated it into mathematical formulas and different meanings.

Negroes are a people, who you can give an object to assemble with instructions and recommended tools and that Negro will screw the whole job up. When you examine what was done and why it was done, it will be clear to see that Negro complicated the situation and make it worse. You know that what I am saying is right.

Now, about the one that is amongst us to do what Mr. Elijah and Min. Farrakhan cannot do concerning our sovereignty. My answer is that you will know him when you see and hear him.

Now, this Sunday’s service in Mosque Maryum will be the same old religious rhetoric. Nothing is ever said from the rostrum about the impending sovereignty of Black Americans. Many Black Americans was under the impression from all the barking and the loud noises Mr. Elijah Muhammad was making in the 60s. Everyone, subliminally speaking thought that the NOI was the Big Black Hope. However, since our predicament is as divine as the Hebrew people were, it will take a genuine divine man, as Moses was divine to lead us into sovereignty. We know Mr. Elijah could not have been though one since Mr. Elijah had embraced a pre-existing religion that belongs to Prophet Mohammed tells us that Elijah was not the one. Our first genuine Prophet must be a man null and void of any pre-existing religion or prophets, since we will have all things new. We want our sovereignty and neither the holy Quran nor the Bible has our salvation of sovereignty within them. Our first genuine Prophet will not have nor will he becoming from any pre-existing religious books. Our Prophet will be as new to us as Moses was new to the Hebrew people, except for their religion of Judaism, which was given to them by Abraham.

Now, my agreement with the Quran’s concept of God does not mean I agree with the Quran and Islam in whole for our people. The Quran is a very thick book, and one short Sura does not qualify total agreement. On the other hand, I favor the story of creation in the Bible over the Quran’s version. That does not mean I agree with the Bible in whole for our people either. If you would only give yourself some room in your brains to try to understand what I am saying rather than trying desperately to prove me wrong, we can get somewhere. If I am wrong, it will come out on its own.

Now, you mentioned that Minister Farrakhan is teaching you all the truth of Islam. Prophet Mohammed has already taught his Arab people the truth of Islam. Mr. Farrakhan is out of his bounds of teaching the truth of Islam to Black Americans. Islam is not our religion. Black Americans are not Arabs. Prophet Mohammed originated Islam, Muslim and the holy Quran. Mr. Farrakhan is supposed to be teaching you how to achieve sovereignty on a portion of this continent we can call our country, with borders. However, you and I know he does not have this sort of divine knowledge. Now, I would give the benefit of the doubt to Mr. Farrakhan that he means well for us. Nevertheless, he is misleading us, as a people.

Okay, you said that Elijah taught, demonstrated and fulfilled our sovereignty, because the works of Elijah is unmatched. Mr. Reuben let us not play games. We as a people are not sovereign. So please do not confuse Elijah’s works with our sovereignty. I know that you love Mr. Elijah, but loved the truth of the things I say more than you love Elijah or Farrakhan. You do not see sovereignty around us. When Mr. Elijah’s works was at its peak, we were still a subjugated people in White America as we are today.

Mr. Reuben there is different kinds of existence. I am trying to tell you that our kind of existence is different God’s existence. For instance, people who have had near death experience, all of them tells you almost the same thing. They would say that they were out of their body and witnessed the entire operation performed on their body and would say things that they should not know. This is a type of existence that humans do not exist in. How hard it is for you to understand what I am saying. You think that the only type of existence is how you exist. Your type of mind has not the ability to perceive ideas, be objective, inventions or even speculate. You do not have a scientific mind. That is all right because it takes all types of minds to make the world go round.

Now, when I say God’s material mass, it is for clarity of conversation. I am saying that God’s existence is different from ours and not necessarily, that God’s composition is material mass, as we know material mass to be in this three-dimensional world. You hang yourself up on the phase material mass since your mind does not have the ability to understand. I am not saying God’s material mass is this or that, because I do not know. Again, all that I am trying to point out is that God’s existence is different from ours.

I believe that I do express my ideas very well. The problem is that you take what I am saying and complicates the message to the extent that you do not understand the point that is being made. Let me show you another example of how you complicate things for yourself. I had explained to you why the pronouns He, Him and His is used in the Quran, referring to Allah. These pronouns are used for the purpose of clarity of conversation. It is not that the Quran has assigned a gender to Allah. Now, because of my ability to reason, if you should use any of the masculine pronoun to me for Allah my mind does not automatically connects to a man, since I know God is not man, neither could man be God. You have not reached this mental level, yet.

The point that I am making about an organized religion is this. Your organized religion of Islam is not our sovereignty. I will pardon, Bishop TD Jakes, since his organized Christian religion is to bring souls to Christ. The Nation of Islam is supposedly to bring sovereignty to Black Americans who are descendents of slaves. However, all that the NOI is doing is the same thing Bishop TD Jakes and Rev. Billy Graham have been doing to our ignorant people for hundreds of years. Therefore, spare me the rhetoric of Truth, Freedom, Justice and Equality.

I want you to understand that I want sovereignty for my people as Moses wanted the same for his people. The preparation for our sovereignty began not quite two years ago. It began with God’s anointing of our first genuine Messenger.


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Salaam (Peace) to you, Mr. Watley.

Sir...you are going off topic again. As I said before, at the Root of your disagreement with the Hon. Elijah Muhammad is your inability (refusal) to acknowledge the reality of God. Therefore, before we get caught out in the "branches", we must start at the Root.

So let's stay on topic, shall we?

The Topic is "The Reality of God and Man, and the Relationship between the two." You agreed to take up this topic. Are you now unwilling to continue?

You want me to accept what you call "simple understanding", but understanding starts with "knowledge", and knowledge is the accumulation of usable data, or information.

Therefore, before we can talk about "understanding", we have to make sure we have sufficient "knowledge". Of the Three, "Knowledge", "Wisdom" and "Understanding"; "Knowledge" comes FIRST...because it answers the question "what?". Then comes "Wisdom"...because it answers the question "how?". LAST comes "Understanding", because it answers the question "why?".

To go after the "why?" of a thing, before first establishing the "what?" and the "how?" is ok for elementary understanding, but for FULL Understanding one must start with the Foundation (Knowledge), and then Build Upwards to Understanding.

So, again, before we can settle on a "simple" understanding, we have to have a basic grasp of elements that contribute to understanding.

You may not like the "Mathematical Approach", but it is the best way to ensure accuracy of meaning and to avoid confusion. You want me to forsake the "Mathematical Approach" because, in Truth, you have no defense against it...you cannot argue against it, because it is plain Truth. But you don't want plain Truth, you just want to be seen as "right"; and any Truth that does not agree with your sense of "right", you cannot accept.


Mathematics is an "exacting science", and demands precision of application, as it is with the Science of Life, itself. Show me, Mr. Watley, using the principles of Mathematics, where anything I have said is incorrect. Not according to your self-proclaimed "wisdom", but according to the Universal principles of Mathematics. Show Me...

Now, Mr. Watley, to the topic at hand.

You stated earlier that your concept of God is "in line with the Qur'an's concept of God." You didn't say "in line with Sura 112's explanation of God". You said "the Qur'an's concept of God". The WHOLE of the Qur'an is precisely designed to acquaint the reader with the "concept of God", and more specifically, the "Truth of God".

NOW, however, you are suggesting you do not "agree with the Qur'an and Islam in whole for our people."

Are you one of those persons mentioned in the Qur'an who "believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other"? (2:85) I wouldn't want to be classified as such a person, considering the consequences associated with such classification.

Here is the whole verse:
"85 Yet you it is who would slay your people and turn a party from among you out of their homes, backing each other up against them unlawfully and exceeding the limits. And if they should come to you as captives you would ransom them, whereas their turning out itself was unlawful for you. Do you then believe in a part of the Book and disbelieve in the other? What then is the reward of such among you as do this but disgrace in the life of this world, and on the day of Resurrection they shall be sent back to the most grievous chastisement. And Allah is not heedless of what you do."

Now, you're giving all these "reasons" why you didn't actually mean what you said. You said, "My concept of God lines up with the Quran’s concept of God." You can't discern "the Qur'an's concept of God" by reading "one short chapter". You must read, study, and develop your understanding of the whole Book...not just "part of it".

You never answered my question, Mr. Watley. If God is NOT a "HE", then to use "HE" in reference to God is logically and Mathematically INCORRECT. This is simple reasoning. If you are not a "fish", then to use the word "fish" to describe you would be INCORRECT.

Yet, you say that the Bible and Qur'an use the word "HE" for the purpose of "clarity of conversation".

I ask you, again, Mr. Watley...

"How does using INCORRECT LANGUAGE produce 'clarity of conversation'?"

Please explain...

Additionally, you failed to answer my question as to whether you know better than Allah what language to use to refer to Allah, when Allah uses the Language "HE" and "HIM" in the Holy Qur'an, and these words have MEANING, and they indicate "masculine gender". ALLAH chose this Language, Himself. Now you are so wise that you can change the Language that ALLAH chose? Yet, you say your concept of God "lines up with the Qur'an's concept of God"?

You are either confused, or you are lying. It's that simple.

You openly state that you DON'T KNOW what God is...yet you reject the Wisdom of a Man who says he MET GOD, "FACE TO FACE", as MOSES DID...and JACOB, according to the Bible. Not "face to Spirit", but "face to FACE". You are effectively saying, "I don't know what God is, but nobody can tell me what God is, because I know what God is NOT." Can't you see how foolish this sounds, Sir? And you want me to accept YOUR view, when you can't even answer simple questions without contradicting yourself? No Sir!

I would be a FOOL to accept such confusion as Truth, ESPECIALLY after God has Come in Person and Blessed me to Know the Truth!

If you can accept the Reality of God and Man, and the True Relationship between the Two, then you will see the Hon. Elijah Muhammad, the Hon. Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam and its Teaching, and YOURSELF, in the proper light. But in order to do that, you would have to give up your flawed notions of God, and your desire to be seen as some "Messenger"...but I doubt your pride (among other mental aberrations) will allow you to do that on your own.

I give you credit for wanting sovereignty for our people. We all should want that. But that "sovereignty" can only be brought about by the Sovereign Lord of Creation, God Himself, Who Came among us in the Person of Master W. Fard Muhammad...The Perfected Man, The Enlightened One, and as the Hon. Elijah Muhammad taught us, the "Mahdi" of the Muslims and the "Messiah" of the Christians.

Please consider these words from the Hon. Elijah Muhammad's Book, "Our Saviour Has Arrived":
"Allah is all of us. But we have a Supreme One that we can throw this name "Holy" upon. He is Allah, The One over all of us; The Most Supreme One, the Wisest One, the Mightiest One; The One that Sees and Hears that which we can't see and hear. That Is He. He Is rooted in all of us. Every righteous person is a god. We are all God. When we say "Allah" we mean every righteous person."

Lastly, regarding this "genuine messenger" you speak of... EVERY PROPHET or MESSENGER that Allah(God) ever chose, according to Scripture (with the possible exception of Jonah), immediately began to proclaim their Messengership to the Public, in an attempt to make their presence known, and make God's Will known.

What is YOUR "messenger" waiting on? If he's anointed by God, why doesn't he show himself?

With the world in such turmoil and darkness, why doesn't he show his "light" to the world? What's he waiting for?

If he is a "messenger", when are we going to hear his "message"?

God is ON TIME, and He NEVER waits until things are all but falling apart before He raises a Messenger.

Your man is LATE...and unknown.

Farrakhan is ON TIME...and Well Known...and is PROVING that He is Divinely Guided; not by "claiming" it...but by DEMONSTRATING it.

Guess which one I'm gonna follow...FARRAKHAN! (Til the Wheels fall off!)

Now please, we can go around this bush again and again, but I really am growing tired of it. So, unless you are willing to answer my questions, above, or unless you can provide some scriptural references to support your position, and/or some Universal principles that can clearly show that the Hon. Elijah Muhammad was incorrect, then let's end this.

You cannot defeat the Teachings of the Hon. Elijah Muhammad. Your arguments are poorly constructed, logically, and you switch claims every time you're cornered with Truth.

I'm sure you are sincere in your desire to help our people, but I sense your sincerity is polluted with inordinate ideas of self-importance. You don't prove your "greatness" by criticizing others. You prove your greatness by DOING GREAT WORK.

SHOW YOUR WORKS, or close your mouth.

Sincerely,

Reuben Muhammad
Nation of Islam